Interview: Miminaru on Why Representation Matters, Regardless of Size

Miminaru describes herself as a plus size monkey VTuber who frequently streams to her over 8,000 Twitch followers a variety of content such as Apex LegendsGenshin Impact, chat streams and the like. She debuted with a new model last February.

There’s quite a lot to Miminaru than just bringing chaos and gremlin vibes on stream though—she underwent model changes and other challenges, leading to who she is now. On this feature, the VTuber Section asks her questions about her origins, her strive for representation, and her outlook on VTubing.

VTubing Before Even Knowing It

How did you start VTubing? What made you want to start VTubing?

https://youtu.be/cK-U1DNgPXA

I started VTubing by accident! Back then I didn’t know it was called VTubing. I just wanted a way to bring my streams to life without a webcam for my friends to enjoy the streams. I remember getting scolded when a friend talked about Nijisanji and I asked who was that? That’s the day I learnt what VTubing was and realized I could make my own character. It opened up a whole new world for me.

Who is your inspiration?

I have many inspirations but what really made me want to grow was watching VShojo members, specifically Ironmouse! I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and for me it causes immense pain and many other symptoms that make living harder. It’s a condition that many women have but it isn’t talked about enough, it can be very severe depending on the circumstances. 

When I saw her have so much fun and bring life to those around her despite her circumstances. It really settled in, if she can do it why can’t I? I haven’t gotten to her level yet but I know one day I will! Hard work always pays off even if it isn’t right now. I have hope!

Who is your favorite VTuber/streamer to watch?

I have quite a few actually! The list could go on forever but we’ll go for the top 5 at the moment. My top 5 favorites are Ironmouse, Elly_VT, Wintercataru, Skelliebunneh and Benjy! Some of the cutest people ever really know how to make a stream theirs!

Miminaru on Representation

A VTuber’s model can be anything the personality desires, which lets people be anything they wish—however, this also lets them represent parts of their identities and take pride in them. Regarding this, what was your thought process in creating your design?

I went through multiple VTuber personas before I became a plus-sized monkey. I couldn’t connect to any of them, I had spent so much time, effort and money that I barely had tried to create the perfect me, the happiest me, the me that I hoped others would adore but it just never clicked. Something always felt off, and then suddenly the idea of a plus-size me came about. A way to have more of me, the real me, and with the help of my friends, Monkey Miminaru was born.

Many people choose to represent aspects of their identity in their VTuber identity—such as beliefs or the use of assistive devices. What are your thoughts on this?

I think it’s a great way to spread more representation! There are many kinds of VTubers but more often than not we only see one type of VTuber persona/model grow. However, within this community alone you can see VTuber models on wheelchairs, amputees, continuous glucose monitoring (CGM), hearing aids, and many other aspects of a real person, real representation that truly showcases the wide variety of people who are in this space.

Seeing the amount of representation that has been born in recent years really puts into perspective how this community has been growing and how diverse it can be. Even though most of us who represent something not found in mainstream VTubing are not as known we’re still here making a difference in the day-to-day life of others.

It’s important to have representation in whatever field of media you fall into, no matter what we tend to see ourselves in others, so it’s important to have some of us in them. Regardless of how your body is and what makes you different when we see representation, it makes us acknowledge that while we may be different, there are always others like us. It’s important to have this in a growing community like VTubing!

What do you feel the current state of plus-size representation is like in the VTuber scene? Where do you see that heading in the future?

While it is growing, there’s a huge lack of representation, not only plus-size but plus-size in different shapes and sizes. Often times we tend to see the same type of “plus-size” which is unusually curvy with big breasts, very tiny waist and huge butt. There is no apple, pear or any other shape for that matter when we talk about plus-size. This is primarily because we tend to sexualize bodies.

If a body shape is found not conventionally attractive it often gets ignored or neglected, while there is nothing wrong with making a model with these features. At the end of the day, most models tend to be a fantasized version of ourselves. It speaks volume how these models are allowed but a model with a different shape would be looked down upon. A model with accurate proportions, regardless of it being hourglass or not, will be criticized. It’s fine so long as it can be sexualized.

That’s an awful truth that the plus-size community is currently fighting, not only in the VTubing community, but as a general stance. While I don’t know where it’s headed, I hope to be a guide that helps open the gates to diversity within the community. I hope to be at the forefront of it all!

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An ugly truth about the VTubing scene is that, because people can make idealized versions of themselves, people’s designs tend to echo the same beauty standards and reinforce them. What are your thoughts on that?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be an ideal part of yourself or a fantasized part of yourself, it’s fictional so you really can be anything you want! That being said, there’s also nothing wrong with wanting to be true to yourself while also bringing to life an ideal version of you.

Often times, however, creating a fantasized part of yourself tends to create a rift between you and your persona. There’s a disconnect that happens because you will look at this version of yourself more and more as you stream and grow. It can be hard to accept who you are in real life as well as the person you’ve created. This, along with other factors, can for some make them feel like an impostor.

They don’t know who they really are, their fantasized version of themselves slowly becomes a persona, and it becomes harder to be true to yourself. You often tend to admire the model and idolize this version of yourself that you’ve come to create. Grounding yourself to whether your VTuber model is you or a persona, and basing the creation of the model around this, has helped me combat this.

While oftentimes, models tend to echo the same beauty standards, we neglect to realize that this happens because the industry can be so hard and combat-bringing in something new. That’s not to say there’s no diversity. It can seem crazy how everyone seems to have similar ideas to what beauty standards are even with a fictional character. Despite this, you’ll see there’s more diversity than what most people realize.

Are you treated differently from other VTubers for being plus-sized?

Unfortunately, yes. I’ve gotten 3 reactions after coming out with my plus size model. One is very strong fatphobic comments, degrading and demeaning and suddenly making me in charge of the health and well-being of the entire human population correlating weight to every possible health problem possible. The second is sexualization, my size is now someone’s fetish and I’ve been made aware of that a lot with “interesting” comments shot my way quite often. 

The third is my favorite, support of my strive to represent myself and others who are plus size, kind comments and overall cheering me on. I’m grateful for those who support me and help me by stopping by my streams or just liking a post or giving kind words of encouragement. It’s something that not many people have.

Have you attracted fans who are drawn to you, specifically because you are plus-sized?

On the Twitter space yes, I used to get very random DMs talking about what they would do to me or just overall sexual remarks. However, I’m a small streamer on Twitch, my average view count is around 20, and those 20 tend to be long term people that have been supporting from the get-go, so my Twitch space is safer than Twitter because of this. 

Miminaru’s Thoughts on Streaming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KNRzfM-7WA

We also noticed that you stream more on Twitch. Why did you choose to stream on Twitch versus YouTube?

When I first thought about streaming, I didn’t know you could stream on YouTube at all! I associated Twitch as the only site that you could live stream, but that was due to my lack of research and internet knowledge. 

Would you recommend new streamers/VTubers start on Twitch, YouTube, or try to balance both?

To new streamers, don’t do like I did and only focus on one platform, vary your content and streams between multiple different platforms so that your audience carries over wherever you go! 

What mistakes have you made in your streaming career that you think others should learn from?

I got too close to others too quickly. I didn’t know how people interacted as streamers. I didn’t develop a schedule nor did I have consistency (I still don’t). I streamed for fun, so I was unaware of all the right ways or the etiquette that people had. 

No one sat me down and told me that people may use me or that consistency and variety really help you in the long run. I had no plan or knowledge and no one to guide me. Those were my mistakes.

What is the moment in your streaming career that you’re most proud of?

When I debuted my plus size model, I was scared people were gonna disappear forever, no one did! Everyone supported me and was nothing but kind to me. To this day it is one of my highest average streams. While I usually average 20 or less, this one day I averaged over 100. 

It made me feel like I could one day reach (Twitch) Partner and make it. I don’t wanna be super famous. I just wanna be able to stream for a living, it’s my dream job! Maybe one day I’ll get there! Hard work will pay off!

If you could stream all over again, what would you change?

I think I wouldn’t get so close to people who are so focused on growth. I would set up a streaming schedule and stick to it and I would set up clear boundaries between my viewers, my mods, and myself.

Where do you think the VTubing scene is heading in the next few years?

The VTubing scene has exploded in recent years. It’s now a mainstream form of media. I see it entering national television as a daily normal, becoming an even bigger industry than people realize. However, I see it becoming harder and harder for indie VTubers to blow up or grow from scratch. 

What advice would you like to give to other VTubers/streamers?

Believe in yourself more than you believe in others. Don’t give up when you see people starting who (will eventually) succeed you. Your timeline is not theirs and vice versa, your time will come. It just won’t be in the time you might want it to be. Your ups and downs will shape you and you will get there, but never forget everyone who got you there, those who supported you despite everything, every hiatus, every form or shape you took. 

Be thankful and grateful for each and every one of your community members, but also to yourself you’ve worked hard for what you have and it’s something to always be proud of.


We certainly enjoyed asking Miminaru questions about her VTubing career, and I hope you enjoyed reading her answers. Thank you very much Miminaru for sharing your time with us. You can follow her on TwitchTwitter and YouTube.

This interview was made possible in cooperation with Anime Corner’s Project Lune. Questions are curated from staff members of the VTuber Section. This interview is first posted on Anime Corner May 27, 2022.

Idol Corp to Debut VTuber Lineup on May 10

The Virtual YouTuber scene is continuously expanding as you read this. In the age of content, we see a lot of people making their dreams come true. A lot of countries have caught up to the hype already, but how about countries which have no VTuber representation whatsoever?

Enter the Israel-based Idol VTuber agency, which aims to fill the gap. On this feature, we take a look at what Idol is, and what’s their goal in the VTuber community. We also spoke to Idol to understand where they stand in the global VTuber scene.

Idol’s First-Generation VTuber Roster

Israel-based Idol Corporation’s first-generation talent roster.

With the theme “Where Gaming Worlds Collide,” Idol’s debut trailer is a mix of great talent. Kuli Komis’ PaztG (Video VFX/Editing) and Minutiae (3D/VFX) created the trailer with UWU Media in-charge of the logo design and Farhan Sarasin taking charge of the music.

Five VTubers will compose Idol’s first-generation lineup of talents: Kattarina Qutie, Nikki Rei, Neo Sparkles, Lily Sin and Emi Suika.

Kattarina Qutie

Described as “Fierce and menacing,” Kattarina grew up in the mafia long enough to be a mafia boss herself. Although she looks intimidating, she has a great interest in playing video games.

You take one look at her Twitter and you can feel that she’s adorable—there’s a reason why she is an adorable Qutie.

  • Genres: Open World / Action / Crime
  • Birthday: August 7
  • Art: @haruyuki_nijyou / Rig: @925__niconico
  • Debut: May 10, 2022 (Tuesday)—4:30pm Israel / 1:30pm GMT / 8:30pm WIB / 10:30pm JST

Neo Sparkles

Magical fox Neo Sparkles looks cute, but we are warned that she can be unpredictable sometimes.

We reckon that she’s a foodie—she’s a member of the burger gang, and her current choice of drink is very specific: “Chocolate Irish Cream Bubble Tea is the best.”

  • Genres: RPG / Fantasy
  • Birthday: May 18
  • Art: @chiri_ap / Rig: @925__niconico
  • Debut: May 10, 2022 (Tuesday)—3pm Israel / 12pm GMT / 7pm WIB / 9pm JST

Lily Sin

This demon girl is someone to be feared. She has a dark, tragic past; and she has sealed a deal with the devil. Upon closer observation, she’s game for some soup and memes.

  • Genres: Horror / Dark / Rich Story
  • Birthday: January 13
  • Art: @Yuniiho / Rig: @925__niconico
  • Debut:
    May 10, 2022 (Tuesday)—6:00pm Israel / 2:15pm GMT / 10:00pm WIB
    May 11, 2022 (Wednesday)—12:00am JST

Nikki Rei

Apocalypse survivor Nikki Rei has been lied to in the past, but her endurance is what makes her move with hope up to this day. She has her spiked baseball bat ready in case something bad happens: “I don’t get bonks, I give the bonks.”

  • Genres: Apocalypse / Action / Survival
  • Birthday: August 29
  • Art@nyorinyori / Rig: @925__niconico
  • Debut: May 10, 2022 (Tuesday)—5:15pm Israel / 2:15pm GMT / 9:15pm WIB / 11:15pm JST

Emi Suika

Among all the talents, Emi Suika seems to be the comfiest. She is also the shortest of them all at 135cm. All we can see from her is watermelon slices—wait, is that Netflix Israel recommending her some titles?

  • Genres: Platformer / Adventure / 2D
  • Birthday: February 1
  • Debut: May 10, 2022 (Tuesday)—3:45pm Israel / 12:45pm GMT / 7:45pm WIB / 9:45pm JST
  • Art: @rik0ring / Rig: @925__niconico

What Led to Idol’s Establishment?

Idol has explained in length their purpose and their goal in establishing VTuber footprints in countries which have no representation:

We believe that VTubing in general has been a rising force in content creation more recently. What started out as a niche entertainment scene based from Japan blossomed into a global phenomenon with millions of followers. From corporate-backed VTubers to your bedroom indie VTubers, the industry alone has been the source of new ways to entertain online followers, in addition with it being the future of content creation.

Despite the popularity of the VTubing industry in general, we have observed that this is only concentrated in several markets like Southeast Asia, North America, and Europe. Meanwhile, there are potentially hundreds of VTubers and other content creators in other parts of the world that have talent but lack the proper exposure.

This is where Idol Corp. comes in as a VTuber company. Our main driving force for the company is to spotlight the rising number of worthy content creators from countries and territories that have limited or no representation in the VTubing community. And with that driving force in mind, we are also hopeful to foster a generation of VTubers that will provide entertainment to the rising VTuber fan demographic. We believe that in every territory and nation, talent perseveres always and we seek to find the best of them.

In short, Idol Corp is a VTuber agency that brings the light of the VTubing community to more territories and aids accepted talents to became the best of their VTubing craft.

Do Idol’s VTubers Cater To Different Age Groups? Are There Any Chances That Idol Will Cater To Mature Audiences?

While Idol understands that the majority of the viewing audience is older, they commit to be responsible in following platform terms of service:

We understand that the VTubing space has been predominantly composed of fans older than 18 years old, so our entertainment direction will be always directed to these older and mature audiences. However, we are always mindful of the platforms our talents will be communicating with utmost care and mindfulness with the guidelines under these platforms.

Being online influencers themselves, we believe that influencers should set an example to their followers, and to those that are being welcomed into the community. As much as our talent growth banks on the large support from our growing fanbase, we believe that there should be greater thinking on deciding first if this content is worth posting online.

Choice of platform for Idol’s VTubers: YouTube, Twitch or Facebook?

Idol’s talents will stream on YouTube, but the management is open to other options:

After careful observation of the initial demographics our talents’ subscribers have gotten, we have come to the conclusion that YouTube will be Idol Corp’s platform choice for its talents, as it is the most accessible for the larger number of VTuber fans globally. However, this doesn’t mean that we’re disregarding other options.

For now, we would have to observe current streaming trends whether Idol Corp retains its choice of streaming platform or migrate to another streaming platform for other experiences.

Is Idol Open to Collaboration With Brands and Other VTubers?

Following a deal with local Nintendo distributor TOR Gaming, Idol will sponsor top streams in Israel to host their respective watch-along parties. They are also open to collaborations with other VTubers:

For now, we have yet to announce any other collaborations or pop culture events that we at Idol Corp can join to. However, we are always reaching out to other brands and organizations that we believe can bring more value to our company.

Speaking of VTuber collaborations, we are more than happy for VTubers within the community to reach out to us for potential collaboration. You can always check out our contact form on our website should you reach out for VTuber collaborations. We’re also more than happy for other brands and organizations to reach out to us for potential marketing partnerships in order to amplify both parties online.

Does VTubers from Idol Have Full Autonomy on Creativity?

As an agency, Idol provides support to its talents by providing them streaming resources and legal support. In fact, each talent’s mic and mixer set is already prepared for debut. The question is, to what extent does Idol have when it comes to creative control?

As we have mentioned previously, our goal as a VTuber company is to foster a generation of VTubers that will be the best in their craft. As such, we want to intervene as little as possible in the content creation of our VTuber talents. For us, we’re here to give them resources and external support in order to make their content as impressive as possible. And them? They just need to be the best version of themselves and grow as a VTuber/content creator.

Perhaps our way of intervention for our very own talents would be in the form of talent advice should the planned content might harm or offend the talent, as well as providing legal support for our talents in the case of facing legal-related issues in the future.

What Should We Look Forward to on Idol’s VTuber Debut?

It is a tradition for big agencies to roll out a debut song featuring their talents as they debut, and a debut song for Idol’s VTubers is already in the works:

We recently announced online that we are working on an original song, to be performed by our first generation VTuber talents. This will be released days before the debut to keep up the hype to our loyal subscribers. We have worked with music producers dylonmaycel and Master Andross for this song, with lyrics being written by JubyPhonic and Monii.

We hope you can look forward to Idol Corp’s upcoming releases and most importantly, the debut of our talents!


Thank you to Idol Corporation CEO Aviel Basin for sharing his time for the VTuber Section.

Source: Idol Corporation Email Correspondence / Photo Handout

First posted on Anime Corner May 7, 2022

Mito Entertainment Presents Mythical VTubers From Filipino Folklore

As a Virtual YouTuber, you can be basically anything—from angels to demons, cats to dogs, some even went as far as becoming food—and ideas are still everywhere. A new group from the Philippines, Mito Entertainment, has local mythical creatures in mind when they built their VTuber concept.

Meet Mito Entertainment’s Generation X!

Let’s take a look at Mito’s Generation X—four virtual personalities with their own quirks: manananggal Mari Tesu, yaua Ixora Sada, bakunawa Eeya Mahalia and kapre Malik Jugo-Luntian.

Mari Tesu, manananggal

Mari is based off the manananggal, a kind of mythical creature akin to a vampire with the ability to separate its upper and lower half of the body. Unlike her clan, she does not like blood and unborn children who are still inside their mothers’ wombs, something that her race eats to survive.

If there’s a distinct feature that Mari has, she’s into video games—probably too much. Despite getting toxic playing games, she’s well-loved by her friends for her airheadedness and childish behavior. Just don’t tease her too much.

In the current context, Mari’s name can be read as Marites, a name associated with ladies who are said to have their ears glued to what’s the talk of the town. Mari though, the way we saw her, is a panicky cinnamon roll who is opening up to her future audience.

Ixora Sada, Yaua

Ixora exists as the only living one of her kind: A Yaua. In the Binisaya language, this means “demon,” but Ixora is described as a complete opposite—a gentle being who lives in the tranquility of the forests, giving food to children and playing with them once she gets the chance to do so.

She woke up from a slumber spanning centuries only to realize that her race disappeared. Even so, she lives in the moment, and all she wants is to enjoy life. Checking her Twitter feed, she might be familiar to anyone who spends their weekends at a posh location, sipping bubble tea with her broskis.

Eeya Mahalia, Bakunawa

Just like Ixora, Eeya is the last of her exquisite, first-class bloodline of Bakunawa in human form. The Bakunawa race is figured as moon-eating serpent-like dragons in Philippine mythology. While she appears as a beautiful noble, commanding awe and respect upon her presence, she’s still a maiden who loves to have fun deep inside.

Just like Mari, she can be chaotic and brash when surrounded by friends and people close to her. Despite her mysterious past, she looks forward to focusing on the beautiful things in sight. The mother figure also loves eating moon(cakes) and can relate to those who treat coffee as water.

Malik Jugo-Luntian, Kapre

Tall, dark and handsome: That’s how Malik is looked up to, but he is remembered by most people as someone who has a fascination for women.

Malik likes charming every girl that captures his attention—ironically, he gets flustered when they flirt back, because as much as he likes teasing them, his experience in romance is sadly limited to initial flings. Aside from his happy-go-lucky personality, his quirky expressions and innate charm are what draws the ladies.

As a CEO of a tobacco company, a role he inherited from his father, the tall Kapre (tree giant) has to manage his business—but outside work, he’s into video games and worshipping thighs, making him a relatable, chill guy. On the other hand, his Twitter feed tells us that he tells jokes only uncles can whip out.

Interview: Mito From the Ground Up

We also talked to the team at Mito to know their journey, just before their first set of talents debut this May.

Out of passion for VTubing and Philippine mythology, founders Buvvles and Pammy set up Mito this year to promote local talent. The group aims to support its talents in creating the type of content they envision and helping them reach their full potential.

Are you catering to family-friendly audiences, or are there any chances that you can also cater to mature audiences?

Our main content such as live streams and videos will be mostly family-friendly! But maybe we’ll have something in store for mature audiences in the future!

We are also thinking about making a Patreon exclusive only for our audience/fans who want sneak peeks of our upcoming content, mature, and exclusive content; something of a “behind-the-scenes” perk for our supporters who love our talents.

What would Mito’s choice of platform be?

Twitch for live streaming, Tiktok, and YouTube for shorts, VOD and clips. Our target is to have Mito’s Gen X debut in mid-April with the official dates and time to be announced very soon!

Do you plan to collaborate with companies/brands, pop culture events, and/or other Virtual YouTubers?

Yes! We are open to collaborations in the near future! Though we would take into account when our talents are already comfortable and can manage collaborating with other VTubers aside from their gen-mates.

Do talents have full autonomy on creativity?

To a certain degree, yes. As long as their content doesn’t break any rules, they’re pretty much free to do anything they want. Mito is very open and free with their talents; they often ask permission for the smallest things that we’d normally approve of!

What should we look forward to Mito’s debut?

We do hope that everyone both in the local and international scene looks forward to our talent roster’s colorful personalities and all of the creative content & fun collaborations that will ensue!

Aside from streaming, Mito Entertainment has big plans for other types of projects like music videos, lore series, and maybe soon, short animations! We have a lot of projects planned and we do hope our community looks forward to what we have in store for the coming months.

Thank you to Mito Entertainment for sharing their time and giving us a glimpse of what’s to come. Know more about the group through their Twitter and Facebook pages.

First posted on Anime Corner April 24, 2022

Sign Language is NOT Tiktok (An interview)

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Last week, we saw a post on Facebook compiling the posts of people who either mistook sign language in-sets on local newscasts as something similar to the social app Tiktok.

This did not go well with the Deaf community. This did not also go well with the Philippine National Association of Sign Language Interpreters (PNASLI).

Interpreters seek awareness after online ‘mockery’ of sign language insets

MANILA – An organization of sign language interpreters has asked the public to be more aware of their work and the Deaf community after some netizens questions the use of insets during television newscasts.


I set up a Zoom meeting between me, Filipino Sign Language (FSL) Interpreter John Baliza from the FSL Access Team for COVID-19 and Ms. Yvette Apurado, a Deaf person who accepted our invitation for the said meeting.

The next part of this story is an edited transcript of the said conversation.

The Importance of Filipino Sign Language in information dissemination

Question: (For Yvette) As a viewer, does the lack of Filipino Sign Language interpreters make it difficult for the Deaf to understand the news and make proper decisions?

Yvette: That’s very true. Especially without interpreter inset on television, it’s very challenging for us to really understand what is being said on television, on the news and so usually what we do is ask our family members, our friends or relatives, but sometimes the information that we get from them is not enough, it’s very limited.

Not all family members would know sign language and so it’s very important, it’s a necessity for us to have interpreter inset so that we fully and completely understand what is being said on the news.

Question: (For both John and Yvette) Why there is a need for FSL interpreters in information dissemination?

Yvette: It is very important for the Deaf community and, because again, they are not able to access information because they are not able to hear, so it’s not only information on news, but like all sorts of information in healthcare, in whatever dealings they have with the community.

So, it’s very important that they should understand what is going on, and that’s why the interpreter plays a crucial role in bridging that communication gap.

John: For me, as an interpreter, it’s the same perspective as the Deaf people.

Interpreters are very important because it’s not only they help bridge the communication gap between the Deaf and hearing, but also interpreters are sort of like cultural ambassadors, because sometimes hearing people don’t understand the culture of the Deaf people in the same way that Deaf people don’t really fully understand what the hearing culture, and that’s two different things.

It’s not only about the language, but it’s also about making sure that the cultures of both the hearing and the Deaf would try to blend as easy as possible, and try to make it as normal as possible. That’s why interpreters are very, very important.

Understanding FSL in today’s context

Question: (For John) In this time where the social video app Tiktok is making waves, how we can tell the uninformed about the crucial role of FSL/any sign language?

John: I think there was this incident like two days ago where some people like mock our interpreters on television, primarily because I think it’s the lack of awareness, maybe that’s a novelty, maybe it’s a new thing that the first time they saw a TV inset.

And so, maybe for the benefit of some trying to be famous, they make fun of the interpreting community, without these people realizing that it’s not the interpreting community that they’re affecting but also the Deaf community in a way.

Yes, it is insulting to the interpreters but more importantly, I would say, oppressive for the Deaf community. Usually they would see us doing a lot of signing on the inset without them realizing that it’s actually a language.

We’re not just like inventing movements like what they do on Tiktok, but this is a real language.

Filipino sign language is a real language that is owned by the Deaf community, and so for these people to mock interpreters.

To mock FSL, it’s like saying they’re also mocking a very natural language. It’s mocking the community who owns that language. So I’m just hoping there would be more understanding and more respect coming from these people.

Question: Is there a difference between FSL and the sign language used in other countries?

John: Here in the Philippines, we have our own sign language, which is the Filipino sign language. It’s a very unique language, it’s 100% uniquely for Filipino Deaf community.

For example, Yvette is signing this (gesturing two open palms pointing to the lips and then moving the hands forward and a bit down in the direction of the person), this is the Filipino sign language for “thank you;” in Japanese sign language, they would sign thank you this way: (gesturing with flat hands, the right hand taps the left wrist, bringing it upwards) Arigato gozaimasu.

https://www.facebook.com/rapplerdotcom/photos/a.2259475890739848/2259476390739798/?type=3

https://www.facebook.com/japanesesign/videos/132858616784270/

[…] In the same way, we have our own alphabet in Filipino sign language. In Australia, they would use a different hand shape for the sign language, like A, B, C, D; but here in the Philippines, we use A-B-C-D (see figure below). So, they are two very distinct languages, and all over the world, most countries, they have their own sign languages.

I would also like to add that Filipino sign language is very unique. I just want to clarify that FSL is not related to the spoken Filipino. It’s not Tagalog, because people thought “FSL, that’s Tagalog,” no. Spoken Tagalog or spoken Filipino is very different, like grammatically, structurally, they’re two different languages altogether.

FSL is a visual language, has its own structure – and yes, it’s true, there’s no such thing as international sign language. As Yvette mentioned, each country, they would have their own sign languages. Why, because it’s deeply rooted to their own cultures.

Even here in the Philippines, we do have subsets of Filipino sign language, like there would be regional variations, like Deaf people from Manila may be signing a bit differently from Deaf people like for example in the Visayas or Mindanao.

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There’s also what we call the beki signs, like the gay signs… so it’s not a language on its own, but it’s sort of an offshoot of Filipino sign language. 

The LGBT Deaf community created their own sort of signals or codes that only them could understand, just like in spoken language, we have our general Filipino but the LGBT hearing community would have their own bekinese.

It’s a very interesting language, so there’s no such thing as an international sign language.

Question: Usually, how long does it take to learn the Filipino sign language? Was it weeks, days…?

Yvette: Well, it could vary from person to person. It’s the capacity of a person of learning a language – if the person is able to grasp the structure, the linguistic features of FSL, maybe it could be easier for them to understand the rules of grammar of FSL; but even for Deaf people, we cannot assume that they are born already knowing sign language, they also have to learn the formal signs as soon as they started school.

If they are born Deaf, they don’t have FSL yet, that’s part of them.

John: As a hearing person, it would take many years to learn sign language. Just like any language, it’s continuously evolving. So it doesn’t mean that “OK, I learn sign language for one year, and that’s it.”

Maybe next month, there may be new signs added to the vocabulary of FSL, just like what happened now during this COVID-19 crisis, we don’t have established signs yet for many of the technical words that they are using now on television.

What we did in the team of the FSL Access Team for COVID-19, we have Deaf consultants there who came together to discuss and analyze the meaning of certain words that they are using on TV and they agreed to establish some arbitrary signs for technical words.

Yvette: Filipino sign language, they would have regional variations and we actually published a book wherein it’s a compilation of different vocabularies all over the Philippines on FSL and it also includes idiomatic expressions, so it could vary from region to region.

There are certain communities in the Philippines who would be, who might be signing differently, and we are hoping that we could continue with this project because language is evolving and in order to preserve this language, we have to make sure that all of these are being documented.

FSL as a bridge between the hearing and the Deaf

Question: Why should everyone learn FSL, and how does it affect the communication between the hearing and the Deaf?

Yvette: It goes both ways for hearing and Deaf people. As I have mentioned, FSL is a very rich language, and in order for the two cultures – the hearing and the Deaf communities – to understand each other, we first need to realize that Filipino sign language should be recognized as an equal language, of equal status with other spoken languages, so that’s the first step.

John: In addition to what Yvette said, I think there’s a huge communication gap between hearing and the Deaf. If we really want to make the Philippines an inclusive community, an inclusive country,

I think the first step is us to learn the language of the Deaf.

For so long, they have been excluded because they don’t have access to information us hearing people have set a lot of barriers to communication, to information; and so if us hearing people would be able to learn sign language then that means breaking down those barriers and making sure that we achieve that goal of being an inclusive country.

No laughing matter

Question: Why we should not discriminate against the Deaf and the FSL interpreters by dismissing sign language as some form of mimicry (like how some regard FSL as Tiktoking)?

Yvette: Filipino sign language is not something to be made fun of.

It’s a crucial and a vital component of our Deaf community, so if that is how they would treat the language, making fun of the language, that would mean that our rights as human beings are not being respected and recognized.

Doesn’t mean that we are using a different language that we are like second-class citizens, but being able to respect and recognize the language and the culture and the identity of the Deaf people and making us a part of a bigger society, of a bigger community, then that means that these people should afford to the respect that Deaf people and interpreters deserve.

And so that is why we actually have a legislation, the Filipino Sign Language Act (Republic Act 11106), that would promote the usage of FSL all over the country as well as the recognition of FSL as a natural language of equal status to other spoken languages in the Philippines.

Recap: FSL interpreters in important in sharing information, this is why the Deaf community has fought so much to include FSL interpreters in newscasts and even in the City of Manila, they have an FSL interpreter in every Facebook live that they do.

The FSL is not Tiktok, it’s not meant to be mocked, it’s not something that people will dismiss as some form of mimicry, and in the context of sign language worldwide, there are unique sign languages for every country – and as with language, it evolves, so that’s why it’s important for people who are interested in learning sign language to understand it – and it’s basically a commitment, am I correct?

John:  Yes, that’s right. For us interpreters, it’s a lifelong commitment, so yes, you really, it’s not only about learning a language but it’s more learning about a group of people, learning about the culture of the Deaf people.

Yvette: In terms of the labels that we use Deaf people, we prefer to be called Deaf with a capital D rather than calling them hearing-impaired, so that’s the Deaf-friendly term.

Sitting in the shows of the Deaf and the interpreter

Any Parting words for this conversation?

Yvette: For the hearing people, it’s very sad to see what happened with regards to the Tiktok incident, but then again, I’m hoping that they would be more respectful towards us Deaf people, towards our community, our language, and our culture;

We are hoping that instead of mocking our language, I’m hoping that we could just work together.

These interpreters are working very hard to ensure we get access to information, and I’m hoping that we would try to do or part in cherishing this, in making sure that we take care of each other.

Again, respect begets respect. Recognize that having this access is or basic right, and so we’re hoping that everyone would be more aware of that and would be more understanding.

John: FSL is not a laughing matter, it’s something very serious, especially now during COVID-19.

It’s difficult because like for most interpreters, we are so overwhelmed by doing the news interpreting on television and having to respond to the incident of Tiktok, our plates are already so full, so I’m just hoping that for hearing people.

If they can’t be of any help to the Deaf community, I’m just hoping that they don’t add more problems, so just be respectful, be more sensitive, and be more mindful that what we are doing on television is something serious – it could actually mean life or death for the Deaf community.

And honestly, we had some of our interpreters who are, what happened in the bullying online, actually impacted them mentally and emotionally.

So there are very few interpreters left now, the number of interpreters are now very limited, and I’m hoping that instead of bullying them, instead of mocking them, we could just be more supportive especially during the COVID-19 crisis.

My thoughts

The Enhanced Community Quarantine Period is something that we don’t want to happen but it needs to, for our safety as well as to flatten the curve or decrease the number of patients and casualties affected by this invisible sickness.

We repeat: It’s most important that everyone gets access to information especially during this time.

My initial response to the incident is that those who dismiss sign language as Tiktoking do not know what they are talking about, they should be called out for it, but I am reminded by Mirai in her tweets that we don’t need too much hate floating around – it does not help us keep ourselves sane at all.

Instead of channeling my disdain on social media, I sought help to get in touch with a sign language interpreter to discuss this face-to-face.

Ironically, I am reminded of comedian Joey de Leon saying this: “Explain before you complain.” Even if we don’t mention the man here, by explaining the concern, we help people understand the situation with empathy.

To note, not all things on Tiktok are bad – we’ll take the example of learning sign language on the platform. Sure, Tiktok definitely has its flaws, but there are also quite a number of people we can look up to.

This Viral TikTok From A Deaf Creator Is Moving People To Learn Sign Language

If you don’t live with a disability, you may not appreciate how crucial and meaningful community and accessibility are – but one viral TikTok is demonstrating it perfectly. Chrissy Marshall, a 19-year-old content creator in Los Angeles, was born hard of hearing and became profoundly deaf in high school.


Perhaps it was also in good timing that A Silent Voice will be broadcast on TV tomorrow. I’m happy to watch it again after I’ve seen the film in the cinema.

We wish everyone the best – keep safe, take up a new hobby, and keep yourselves active.